In the video below, Jordan Peterson is interviewed by Fredrik Skavlan, with the panel consisting of Swedish politician Annie Lööf and Norwegian author Erlend Loe.
The video opens with Jordan Peterson being asked by Skavlan about which is the most difficult rule to follow? To which he responds, “the hardest one is to tell the truth, or at least not to lie.” He backs this up by stating that it easy to use your speech to pay off in the sort-term, as opposed to having to face the difficulty of dealing with the immediate internal conflict that may arise from telling the truth. This may pay off in the short-term, but will have long-term ramifications that may not even be able to be comprehended in the present moment. You may be able to temporarily avoid the problem, and pretend that it doesn’t exist, but sooner or later, you will have to confront it, either voluntarily or against your will. From this perspective, you will have to decide which situation will provide long-term inner peace.
At 05:16 in the video, Jordan Peterson states that Western society is not a tyrannical patriarchy. This statement appears to unsettle the panel. Jordan Peterson goes on further to state that he considers the idea to be an “appalling doctrine.”
Fredrik Skavlan then pushes Jordan Peterson on his views relating to gender equality. Jordan Peterson states his position as being one that is in favour of equality of opportunity, and believes this to be desirable. He also states that equality of outcome is impossible to achieve and extraordinarily dangerous, and the steps that have been taken to achieve this, in particular in the Scandinavian countries, have resulted in those countries having “the biggest differences in the world, in terms of temperament and interest”, between men and women.
The more egalitarian the state, the greater the personality differences are between men and women. This has been proven across a broad range of studies across multiple countries and comes down to the following fact. There are two main differences between men and women, cultural and biological. If the cultural differences are minimised through social engineering, then the biological differences are maximised.
Jordan Peterson makes an example to back up the statement by looking to the extremes in the biggest psychological differences between men and women. On average, men are more interested in things, and women are more interested in people. In Scandinavia, this has resulted in occupations such as engineering (which requires a proclivity towards things) being dominated by men and nursing (which requires a proclivity towards people) being dominated by women.
This result is not necessarily an undesirable outcome. In fact, if equality of opportunity exists between men and women, and the outcome results in different occupational choices, you have maximised free choice and have, as a consequence, maximised the biological differences.
The point of disagreement between Jordan Peterson and the panel exists because members of the panel believe the greatest differences between men and women are cultural, when the evidence suggests the opposite.
One complex difference of opinion that is discussed in the interview, relates to which barriers were holding back women from competing on a similar footing to men. The idea that women progressing was a result of radicals in the sixties neglects the innovations made that assisted women. Such as sanitary facilities, tampons and birth control.
The discussion progresses towards the ideas addressed in Jordan Petersons book, as to what exactly is the chaos that he mentions. He speaks about how tribalism will almost always result in regressive attitudes that can have destructive consequences.